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Labels hearth again at Suno’s try to dismiss YouTube stream-ripping claims

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October 21, 2025
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Main document labels have fired again at Suno’s try to dismiss allegations that the AI music startup illegally downloaded copyrighted songs from YouTube.

They argued that Suno violated federal anti-circumvention legal guidelines no matter any honest use protection.

In a reply temporary filed on Monday (October 20) in Massachusetts federal court docket, and obtained by MBW, legal professionals for labels owned by Sony Music, Common Music Group and Warner Music Group defended their expanded lawsuit in opposition to Suno.

The music corporations are suing Suno for mass infringement of copyright, alleging the AI startup used copyrighted recordings with out permission to coach its AI.

You may learn the newest submitting in full right here.

In September, they filed a proposed amended criticism increasing the claims in opposition to Suno. They alleged that the AI firm acquired its palms on the recordings by “stream-ripping” them from YouTube, i.e., by circumventing YouTube’s participant window and downloading the recordsdata straight.

In response, Suno on October 3 requested the court docket to throw out the newest stream-ripping allegations. Whereas Suno didn’t deny “stream-ripping” music from YouTube, the corporate’s legal professionals argued that the observe just isn’t unlawful beneath the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

“The violation lies within the circumvention, not the rationale for it.”

Attorneys for UMG, Sony Music and Warner Music subsidiaries

“The Courtroom ought to deny depart to amend so as to add this new declare as a result of it’s futile,” acknowledged Suno’s response, which will be learn in full right here.

Attorneys for the music corporations have argued that Suno bypassed YouTube’s “rolling cipher” encryption system, which usually modifications entry codes to forestall exterior downloading of movies and audio recordsdata.

They’re now arguing: “The violation lies within the circumvention, not the rationale for it.”

They famous that Part 1201 of the DMCA prohibits the act of bypassing technological measures that management entry to copyrighted works, separate from any copyright infringement claims.

They wrote: “If Suno needed honest use to protect it from legal responsibility completely, it may have acquired its coaching information lawfully. As an alternative, it selected a less expensive and quicker route: stream-ripping from YouTube.”

“If Suno needed honest use to protect it from legal responsibility completely, it may have acquired its coaching information lawfully. As an alternative, it selected a less expensive and quicker route: stream-ripping from YouTube.”

Attorneys for UMG, Sony Music and Warner Music subsidiaries

“Suno has asserted honest use with respect to its subsequent copying… however honest use can’t excuse its illegal entry to Plaintiffs’ works within the first place.”

Suno had argued on October 3 that the amended lawsuit represents “a gambit to attempt to evade software of the honest use doctrine to Suno’s know-how growth course of.”

Suno’s legal professionals argued that the related a part of the DMCA bans circumventing entry controls on copyrighted media, which means know-how designed to restrict entry solely to sure folks (as an example, paying subscribers), and never copy controls, which means tech that stops folks from copying copyrighted materials.

In response, the music corporations’ legal professionals stated Suno “wrongly treats” controlling entry beneath Part 1201 “as an all-or-nothing proposition, arguing that when a copyright proprietor makes a piece accessible to the general public to any diploma, no ‘entry management can exist”

Citing a court docket’s 2001 choice in Common Metropolis Studios v. Corley, the labels’ legal professionals wrote: “Honest use has by no means been held to be a assure of entry to copyrighted materials to be able to copy it by the honest person’s most well-liked approach or within the format of the unique.”

The labels requested the court docket to grant their movement for depart to amend, arguing that their proposed amended criticism “simply meets” the usual for stating a declare.


On Friday (October 17), Bloomberg reported, citing folks acquainted with the matter, that Suno is in negotiations to increase over $100 million in a funding spherical that might worth the corporate at greater than $2 billion, a fourfold enhance from the earlier valuation.

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